Consensus about visual diagrams in the docs.

[guettli]

I once created a simple ascii diagram to explain details of the Django ORM:

https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/27936

Years ago it took some time for me to understand it. And since then it
came up by new comers in our team several times.

There is agreement on the goal: yes, a visual diagrams in the docs would be
nice.

But there is no agreement on the strategy.

I think ascii art is fine. Some suggest to use a graphiz plugin in for
sphinx.

There is no progress because there is no clear consensus up to now.

I do not care for the strategy, I care for the goal.

How to find clear consensus now?

Regards,
Thomas GÃŒttler

[Aymeric Augustin]

Hello,

A few years ago, I redid most illustrations and included them in the docs as SVG files. The primary driver was switching from PNG to SVG to better accommodate hi-dpi displays. I also committed the source files. Unfortunately, they're in a proprietary format and cannot be reused without a Mac and an OmniGraffle licence.

(Before someone starts listing the arguments against proprietary formats — yes, I learnt them 15 years ago, and yes, I still chose OmniGraffle's UX over Inkscape's. : You're welcome to redo the diagrams with Inkscape and replace mine as long as the result doesn't look significantly worse.)

While not ideal, this got the job done. Diagrams look all right on all kind of devices.

To sum up:
- I think SVG should be the preferred format for illustrations in the docs
- I'm worried about ASCII art on small devices: line wrapping would be a problem
- whatever you want to make the diagram as long as it exports to SVG and looks reasonable
- commit the source file so someone has a chance to reuse them, regardless of their format

Best regards,
--
Aymeric.

Post by guettli
https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/27936
Years ago it took some time for me to understand it. And since then it
came up by new comers in our team several times.
There is agreement on the goal: yes, a visual diagrams in the docs would be nice.
But there is no agreement on the strategy.
I think ascii art is fine. Some suggest to use a graphiz plugin in for sphinx.
There is no progress because there is no clear consensus up to now.
I do not care for the strategy, I care for the goal.
How to find clear consensus now?
Regards,
Thomas GÃŒttler
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[Curtis Maloney]

Post by guettli
I do not care for the strategy, I care for the goal.
How to find clear consensus now?

There is a time honored practice in open source of spurring more
spirited discussion by presenting a solution, however sub-optimal it may be.

It may not be the accepted solution, but it's far more likely to get
people to give input than asking for discussion.

[No, I'm not just wrapping up "patches welcome" - this is a general
observation in life. It's just more openly recognised in OSS :) ]

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Curtis

[Jani Tiainen]

Personally I use plantuml to generate various diagrams. It is open source
there even exists plugin for sphinx. It uses relatively understandable
diagram language. Exports svg along the many other formats. And there are
realtime preview plugins to most editors and ides.

Only big downside is that requires java runtime.

Post by Curtis Maloney

Post by guettli
I do not care for the strategy, I care for the goal.
How to find clear consensus now?

There is a time honored practice in open source of spurring more
spirited discussion by presenting a solution, however sub-optimal it may be.
It may not be the accepted solution, but it's far more likely to get
people to give input than asking for discussion.
[No, I'm not just wrapping up "patches welcome" - this is a general
observation in life. It's just more openly recognised in OSS :) ]
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